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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 1:18:08 PM | Hello all, my name is Derrick Morris, grandson of William "Dale" Sartor. He served proudly in WWII with the 615th BS and flew his missions on the Mary Alice. I was in the midst of finding out more info on my Grandpa's plane, when he passed on this last Tues (19th of Jan, 2010). Now, my grandpa LOVED to talk about his stories inthe War..not bragging stories, in fact, a VERY modest man, just would like to sit down with me and tell me his adventures. He was also a pipe fitter when he got out of the war, and traveled the world.
Up until the time of his death, he worked out 6 days a week at his local gym or taking his 5 mile walk. In fact, he was at his gym when he had his heart attack.
Now, my Grandpa came back with his flight book VERY DETAILED, along with some pics, etc..
Well, couple months ago, found a very good website on the 401st, and found my Grandpa's crew info (and I can only remember that person's last name now...Knight, and believe he was the pilot???) Well, I now can not find that site, so was hoping that this site could help me out.
Here is info I DO know:
On website I had found, they had misspelled my Grandpa's last name..they spelled it SartEr, instead of SartOr. they also had him listed as a radio operator, which he assured me he was not, he was a gunner. I can ASSURE you guys, my Grandpa never lied one time, nor used a cuss word, drank, smoke, ran a red light, NOTHING. So, if he says he was a gunner, there is absolutely NO reason to think otherwise. Also, his flight book varied slightly from the flights listed on that website I had found. Again, knowing my grandpa, I would have to believe his info, especially since I was looking at his original flight book (off top of my head, he flew @ 25-30 missions, which of course, was alot). He kept that, and his journal he wrote in while in war.
I also have SOME history on his plane:
"Mary Alice"
B-17G-35-BO Serial 42-31983 IY-G
B-17G-95-DL Serial 44-83735
Was also put into use a civil aircraft in teh USA by Transocean Airlines, N68269, out of Oakland, Ca in 1947, and then as F BDRS of Institute Geographic National of France at Creil for international survey work, and reitred in 1975 into the Imperial war museum in Duxford, UK, where it sits today.
Now, i do have some info that I can not verify...I read somewhere, that his plane was scrapped in 1945 in Arizona, but info above says otherwise (obviously).
Also, his flight jacket says, "Knights Knazi's" and has a picture of Bugs Bunny running/holding a bomb. I assume his jacket says "Knights" because of the pilot's last name...Knight. Assumption on my part, but feel pretty good one, haha.
What i am looking for is maybe a crew member that might still be alive that has info they can share with me. I am also looking for ANY pictures of my grandpa, his crew, his plane (ACTION SHOT WOULD BE AWESOME).
Also, looking for any real knowledge of the plane that is in the IWM in Duxford, if that is actually my Grandpa's plane, if it can be confirmed, or other?????
Trying to gather as much info on my Grandpa and his crew/plane that I can, and now that he is resting in Heaven, need some help...so any shared is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks guys!
I LOVE YOU GRANDPA!!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 1:25:56 PM | Oh, I DO have 3 pictures off of various websites, one taken July 1944, of the name of his aircraft/portion of his plane, and a recent photo (color) of his plane in the IWM in Duxford. Also have pic of what i BELIEVE his his crew, but was not able to verify before grandpa passsed on.
Thanks guys
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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Paul Bellamy
1/24/2010 3:31:38 PM | Hello Derrick,
First off, very sorry to hear about the passing of your Grandfather.
As you were probably getting the impression, the B-17 at IWM Duxford isn't the same one your Grandfather flew in, but is a later Fortress painted to look the same.
I'm going through the archive to see if I can find any more photo's of" Mary Alice" for you, in the meantime here's a wartime photo of one of the crewmembers' jackets which should be similar to your Grandfather's. It has "Gnatzi Knightmare" written along the bottom.
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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donaldbyers
1/24/2010 5:29:09 PM | I have corrected the spelling of your gradfather. http://www.401bg.org Is the site your are looking for now but you should have been redirected to the new URL.
I have the information to confirm the position he flew also and I will check it out. Also if your grandfather flew any missions with another crew it wouldn't match what is on the website as the pilot is the key which the database is based on. And this is not uncommon.
It's great that you found this site. Also would love to have copies of the photos sent to me as I am the new Group Historian for the 401st BG.
Should you consider becoming a member of the 401BG you will find the application on the site URL above $20.00 a year and 4 issues of the Poop From Group. The next reunion will be in Savannah Ga. this coming Aug.
Don Byers
Group Historian
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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donaldbyers
1/24/2010 8:35:06 PM | Based on relative information your grandfather was the Top Turret/Eng gunner.
Don Byers
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 10:23:31 PM | Thanks for info and condolences...that picture (back of jacket) from what my Grandpa remembers, THAT is him. He was not 100% on that, but he believes it IS him though, as he DOES remember taking a picture in that pose, and he says back of head/ears look like him. So, while not 100% positve, he was pretty sure that was him.
yes, I was WRONG on back of jacket , what I thought it said (was trying to go by memory), and that pic you posted, my Grandpa has in his collection, and is another reaon why he thinks it may have been him in that photo.
Also, now that you say top turret/Eng gunner, YES, that is correct. I could not remember WHERE he was, but soon as you posted it, it rang a bell. In fact, i was gonna put that in my first post, but since was not 100% at time of posting, wanted to try and keep facts straight.
I DO believe my Grandpa said he did fly with another crew, but the name Knight is only one I remember (from a crew he flew majority with he said)
I will try and post pic (can I do that?) of some pics that I have on me..rest are with my Mom (my Mom wanted all of his war stuff, and was given to her, but I get from my Mom in her will)
So, let's try posting a pic of Grandpa....
My Grandpa was a very special person to me, for alot of different reasons, of which no sense getting into now (no reason to get personal just yet!!)
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 10:30:05 PM | Here is another one I have of a crew, that we THINK was his...I got this one off website...
And another....
and another
There are the one's I have, but my mom has a few more, will have to get those later for you guys...
I am gonna check out that link you provided above. THANKS!!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 10:37:35 PM | OK, i have been to that website...no not teh one. The one I went to was a Navy Blue background, with lots of Yellow, and had TONS of info.
It had EVERY SINGLE crew from the 401st, broke down into by name/position (again, where I found teh misspelling of grandpa's name, and where said he was radio operator)...I thought I had bookmarked it/wrote wesbite down, but dang it, can't find it.
Also, I am looking for an action shot of Granpa's plane for a few reasons...1)Would like to have ALL photo's of Grandpas plane that is out there, but actionshot seems to be most elusive, and would LOVE to have. 2)I have family photo/portraits Tattoo'd on my back (kind of like a family tree) and want to put grandpa's portrait (one I posted above will be that one) along with his plane, an action shot, tattoo'd on my back
Now, I know I can have any B17 G Bomber action shot done, and just have Mary Alice put in place, but I want to able to say, that is my grandpa's plane in action...not a fake..so want to be as authentic as possible, for my Grandpa. If I have to do a staionary shot to be authentic, than that is what I have to do.
My search continues, and will check out more links/info shared...so, THANKS!!!
I LOVE AND MISS YOU GRANDPA!!!!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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MaryAlice
1/24/2010 10:48:14 PM | Also, Paul...history concerning my Grandpa's plane...WAS it scrapped in 1945 like they said? In Arizona? if so, then why teh indo saying that it was put into use up until 1975 by the above mentioned companies? Any info on that?
I am not familiar with that type of stuff (what they did with planes), so was curious about that.
Thanks a million Paul!
I miss you Grandpa!!
Also, grandpa...want you to know, Joanne went over to see Grandma tonight, and took her some cutlet and pasta. I am taking your Great grandkids over tomorrow to visit. Don't worry...we are taking care of Grandma for you..we love you!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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EDanaII
1/25/2010 6:46:13 AM | Just a quick note, Derrick, but the site Don listed is (likely) the same site you visited. It just went through a "face lift" in which the Yellow on Navy Blue colors were replaced by lighter (easier to read) colors.
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Paul Bellamy
1/25/2010 10:10:40 AM | "MaryAlice":
Also, Paul...history concerning my Grandpa's plane...WAS it scrapped in 1945 like they said? In Arizona? if so, then why teh indo saying that it was put into use up until 1975 by the above mentioned companies? Any info on that?
I am not familiar with that type of stuff (what they did with planes), so was curious about that.
Your Grandfather's plane was B-17G-35-BO 42-31983, built by Boeing in their No.2 Plant at Boeing Field, Seattle.
The 42 on the serial number is the fiscal year the aircraft was ordered by the US Government, although she was probably not actually built until the second half of 1943.
She was flown to the Modification Center at Cheyenne in January 1944 to be upgraded to the current requirements, whereupon she was officially accepted by the USAAF and flown across the Atlantic for delivery to the ETO.
She was originally allocated to the 401st's 615th Bomb Squadron in March 1944 and bore the markings IY-G.
At some point later in the war, probably March 1945, she was transferred to the 613th Bomb Squadron, and the markings were changed to IN-G to reflect this.
There were a lot of these inter-squadron transfers at this time, as all the 401st's radar-equipped Pathfinder B-17s were concentrated into the 615th in exchance for the 615th's standard B-17s.
After VE Day, she was flown back to the USA with most of the 401st's surviving B-17s, and was officially transferred out of the 401st on the 6th June 1945.
At this point she was delivered to one of the large storage facilities in the USA, in this case probably the wartime AAF Gunnery School airbase at Kingman AAF in Arizona, and eventually transferred to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for disposal. In a few cases this meant aircraft were sold intact, the majority were cut up for scrap and melted down for the metal, which is what appears to have happened to "Mary Alice".
The aircraft on display representing "Mary Alice" at IWM Duxford is B-17G-95-DL Serial 44-83735, built by Douglas at their Long Beach Plant in the spring of 1945, being delivered to the USAAF in May 1945, too late to see WWII service.
Her subsequent history is well recorded:
31 May 1945 - Received by the Maintenance Division, Syracuse Army Air Base, New York - placed into storage having flown 20hrs 25mins.
2 Nov 1945 - A further 35mins were flown before the aircraft was dropped from the USAAF inventory by transfer to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Altus AAF Oklahoma - apparently remained at Syracuse.
21 Feb 1947- Received at Altus for Transocean Air Lines. Accepted by Samuel L Wilson who was later to fly the aircraft for Col. Soriano.
22 May 1947 - Registered to Transocean Air Lines of Oakland Municipal Airport, California as NL68269.
1947/48 - AAHS record that the aircraft was used regularly for flights between Oakland and Manila.
7 Oct 1948 - Recorded as received at Oakland California. It is assumed that the refitting of the interior to an executive configuration occurred prior to this date.
23 Nov 1948 - Sold to Colonel Andres Soriano of San Francisco - bill of sale from Transocean Air Lines.
The aircraft was fitted with a seven seat lounge in the nose position, toilet, buffet with drinks cabinet, refrigerator and office. Extra fuel tanks were installed in the bomb bay and new autopilot fitted.
12 Jan 1949 - Registered to Colonel Soriano then President of Philippine Air LInes and named 'San Miguel'. Flown regularly between Oakland and Manila by Captain Wilson who was on loan from Transocean Air lines.
14 Oct.1949 - Bill of sale-purchased by General Council of the Assemblies of God Inc., Springfield, Missouri.
28 Oct 1949 - Registered to the Assemblies of God and renamed Ambassador 11. It replaced Ambassador 1, a Curtiss C46 Commando, having longer range and greater four engined safely in its task of flying missionaries to South America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The nose eventually carried names of 38 countries which Ambassador 11 had visited in its first year of operation.
Jan 1950 - First journey of Ambassador 11 was to Mexico City.
20 July 1951 - A bill of sale to Albert J Leeward. The sale was forced by increased insurance costs caused by the Korean War and other trouble spots. Regular scheduled airline services were also improving by this time.
28 Aug 1951 - Formally registered to Albert J Leeward.
1952 - Sold to the office of the Air Attache French Government in Washington - CAA cancelled the registration on 3 Nov 1954.
30 Dec 1952 - Received by Institute Geographique Nationale at Creil near Paris, France with 1475 airframe hours. Converted for aerial survey work.
18 Feb 1972 - Grounded at Creil after flying 6808 hrs and 40mins and cannibalised for spares to keep other B-17s flying.
20 Nov 1973 - Offered for sale without engines, instruments or radios for 30,000 Francs.
May 1975 - Purchased by Euroworld Ltd. together with an airworthy B-17 44-85784 (F-BGSR) later to become G-BEDF - 'Sally B' of B-17 Preservation Ltd. Both aircraft arrived at Duxford later that month.
January 1978 - After being used for spares to maintain 'Sally B', the aircraft was bought by the Imperial War Museum who started a major re-conversion and conservation programme to restore the aircraft, now called Mary Alice back to its wartime configuration. The aircraft now carries the marking of B-17G 42-31983 as flown by Lieutenant Dan Knight of the 615th Bomb Squadron, 401st Bombardment Group, based at Deenethorpe in Northampshire, England 1944.
The IWM have this statement on file:
This B-17 has been rebuilt and painted to represent B-17G serial number 42-31983 which served with the 615th Bomb Squadron, 401st Bomb Group, at Deenethorpe, Northamptonshire from March 1944 to May 1945.
Known to have flown at least 98 combat missions the bomber incurred battle damage on several, and was shot up severely on five. In combat actions a crew member was killed and five wounded, one of whom received a Distinguished Service Cross, second highest US award for gallantry. At the end of the war Mary Alice was probably the most battle scarred B-17 in the 8th Air Force, but still airworthy enough to be flown back across the Atlantic to the USA.
Mary Alice was named by its original pilot, Dan Knight, for his mother.
The true identity of this B-17G is serial 44-83735, built in 1945 and delivered too late to see war service.
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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MaryAlice
1/25/2010 4:12:04 PM | "EDanaII":
Just a quick note, Derrick, but the site Don listed is (likely) the same site you visited. It just went through a "face lift" in which the Yellow on Navy Blue colors were replaced by lighter (easier to read) colors.
OK, thanks will check again. What i said above, was incorrect...I said taht teh website I visited had info on every member of teh 401st, and what I REALLY meant was.....
That the website I visited had info on EVERY BS/BG plane/member/flight info/mission/maps of runways, etc.. inthe War.
Will check link again though, thanks!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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MaryAlice
1/25/2010 4:15:04 PM | "Paul Bellamy":
(quote="MaryAlice")Also, Paul...history concerning my Grandpa's plane...WAS it scrapped in 1945 like they said? In Arizona? if so, then why teh indo saying that it was put into use up until 1975 by the above mentioned companies? Any info on that?
I am not familiar with that type of stuff (what they did with planes), so was curious about that.
Your Grandfather's plane was B-17G-35-BO 42-31983, built by Boeing in their No.2 Plant at Boeing Field, Seattle.
The 42 on the serial number is the fiscal year the aircraft was ordered by the US Government, although she was probably not actually built until the second half of 1943.
She was flown to the Modification Center at Cheyenne in January 1944 to be upgraded to the current requirements, whereupon she was officially accepted by the USAAF and flown across the Atlantic for delivery to the ETO.
She was originally allocated to the 401st's 615th Bomb Squadron in March 1944 and bore the markings IY-G.
At some point later in the war, probably March 1945, she was transferred to the 613th Bomb Squadron, and the markings were changed to IN-G to reflect this.
There were a lot of these inter-squadron transfers at this time, as all the 401st's radar-equipped Pathfinder B-17s were concentrated into the 615th in exchance for the 615th's standard B-17s.
After VE Day, she was flown back to the USA with most of the 401st's surviving B-17s, and was officially transferred out of the 401st on the 6th June 1945.
At this point she was delivered to one of the large storage facilities in the USA, in this case probably the wartime AAF Gunnery School airbase at Kingman AAF in Arizona, and eventually transferred to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for disposal. In a few cases this meant aircraft were sold intact, the majority were cut up for scrap and melted down for the metal, which is what appears to have happened to "Mary Alice".
The aircraft on display representing "Mary Alice" at IWM Duxford is B-17G-95-DL Serial 44-83735, built by Douglas at their Long Beach Plant in the spring of 1945, being delivered to the USAAF in May 1945, too late to see WWII service.
Her subsequent history is well recorded:
31 May 1945 - Received by the Maintenance Division, Syracuse Army Air Base, New York - placed into storage having flown 20hrs 25mins.
2 Nov 1945 - A further 35mins were flown before the aircraft was dropped from the USAAF inventory by transfer to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Altus AAF Oklahoma - apparently remained at Syracuse.
21 Feb 1947- Received at Altus for Transocean Air Lines. Accepted by Samuel L Wilson who was later to fly the aircraft for Col. Soriano.
22 May 1947 - Registered to Transocean Air Lines of Oakland Municipal Airport, California as NL68269.
1947/48 - AAHS record that the aircraft was used regularly for flights between Oakland and Manila.
7 Oct 1948 - Recorded as received at Oakland California. It is assumed that the refitting of the interior to an executive configuration occurred prior to this date.
23 Nov 1948 - Sold to Colonel Andres Soriano of San Francisco - bill of sale from Transocean Air Lines.
The aircraft was fitted with a seven seat lounge in the nose position, toilet, buffet with drinks cabinet, refrigerator and office. Extra fuel tanks were installed in the bomb bay and new autopilot fitted.
12 Jan 1949 - Registered to Colonel Soriano then President of Philippine Air LInes and named 'San Miguel'. Flown regularly between Oakland and Manila by Captain Wilson who was on loan from Transocean Air lines.
14 Oct.1949 - Bill of sale-purchased by General Council of the Assemblies of God Inc., Springfield, Missouri.
28 Oct 1949 - Registered to the Assemblies of God and renamed Ambassador 11. It replaced Ambassador 1, a Curtiss C46 Commando, having longer range and greater four engined safely in its task of flying missionaries to South America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The nose eventually carried names of 38 countries which Ambassador 11 had visited in its first year of operation.
Jan 1950 - First journey of Ambassador 11 was to Mexico City.
20 July 1951 - A bill of sale to Albert J Leeward. The sale was forced by increased insurance costs caused by the Korean War and other trouble spots. Regular scheduled airline services were also improving by this time.
28 Aug 1951 - Formally registered to Albert J Leeward.
1952 - Sold to the office of the Air Attache French Government in Washington - CAA cancelled the registration on 3 Nov 1954.
30 Dec 1952 - Received by Institute Geographique Nationale at Creil near Paris, France with 1475 airframe hours. Converted for aerial survey work.
18 Feb 1972 - Grounded at Creil after flying 6808 hrs and 40mins and cannibalised for spares to keep other B-17s flying.
20 Nov 1973 - Offered for sale without engines, instruments or radios for 30,000 Francs.
May 1975 - Purchased by Euroworld Ltd. together with an airworthy B-17 44-85784 (F-BGSR) later to become G-BEDF - 'Sally B' of B-17 Preservation Ltd. Both aircraft arrived at Duxford later that month.
January 1978 - After being used for spares to maintain 'Sally B', the aircraft was bought by the Imperial War Museum who started a major re-conversion and conservation programme to restore the aircraft, now called Mary Alice back to its wartime configuration. The aircraft now carries the marking of B-17G 42-31983 as flown by Lieutenant Dan Knight of the 615th Bomb Squadron, 401st Bombardment Group, based at Deenethorpe in Northampshire, England 1944.
The IWM have this statement on file:
This B-17 has been rebuilt and painted to represent B-17G serial number 42-31983 which served with the 615th Bomb Squadron, 401st Bomb Group, at Deenethorpe, Northamptonshire from March 1944 to May 1945.
Known to have flown at least 98 combat missions the bomber incurred battle damage on several, and was shot up severely on five. In combat actions a crew member was killed and five wounded, one of whom received a Distinguished Service Cross, second highest US award for gallantry. At the end of the war Mary Alice was probably the most battle scarred B-17 in the 8th Air Force, but still airworthy enough to be flown back across the Atlantic to the USA.
Mary Alice was named by its original pilot, Dan Knight, for his mother.
The true identity of this B-17G is serial 44-83735, built in 1945 and delivered too late to see war service.
All the best,
Paul(/quote)
Oh, WOW!!!! MILLION THANKS!!! WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!! Paul, can't thank you enough!!
If it is Ok with you, would like to copy that and pass onto my family...is that ok?
WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!! THANKS!!!
Anyone else have any more info on Grandpa's crew? Any crew members @ here? Any more photo's?
Oh wow, thanks again guys..just made me one happy man!!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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Paul Bellamy
1/25/2010 5:51:06 PM | "MaryAlice":
If it is Ok with you, would like to copy that and pass onto my family...is that ok?
Feel free Derrick, that's what it's there for. 🙂
All the best,
Paul
Paul Bellamy
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donaldbyers
1/25/2010 6:44:37 PM | Appreciate your efforts Paul. It's great to have help like you and Win on this forum. And I don't also forget the others that help.
Don Byers
Group Historian
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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EDanaII
1/25/2010 10:27:47 PM | We can always depend on Paul. 🙂
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MaryAlice
1/26/2010 10:32:58 AM | OK guys, THANKS for sharing...this has been great.
I got an email from an individual (not sure if i am supposed to say who, so if you are reading this, if you want to say it was you, go ahead....as you guys have guess by now, i try and protect/respect other's privacy) and he gave me some info that was much appreciated. He had informed me (and so did Paul above) that my grandpa's name had been spelled correctly, along with his position in the plane.
He had also informed me that he has seen the Mary Alice in person in the IWM, and "was so nice to see the plane in it's camo colors, opposed to the natural finish most B'17's fly in today".
He also provided some links and such to some other info that has been very helpful. In other words, this person has been helping me in the same manner that Paul and you other guys above have been, but through email.
And what i am trying to say is, that because of THIS forum/thread, i am getting help/info from ALL angles and does NOT go unappreciated, because it IS appreciated greatly.
I have spoke with my brother, and we are seriously considering going to Savanah this August.
Does anyone have info on where exactly? What does teh event entail? What do we need to bring? if anything other than ourselves? I am SO happy i found this site...it is helping me deal with teh loss of my Grandpa, and knowing that you guys are here to help is comforting.
I can't say it enough....THANKS!!!!!!!!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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EDanaII
1/26/2010 11:51:20 AM | The state of the reunion is an ever evolving thing. If you wanna keep an eye on 'em, just keep that eye focused here:
http://www.401bg.org/NextReunion.shtml
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win-win
1/26/2010 1:57:58 PM | 'Mary Alice""
A few things about 401st Reunions and our Savannah Reunion this coming August:
- - The 'Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum' is in/near Savannah - the 401st will be touring it, and the 'typical' Air Base' displayed there is Deenethorpe;
- - The Reunion's 'Hospitality Room' is a gathering place (in the hotel) that is open most of the time during the Reunion where Vets, Kin, 2nd generationers meet and exchange information, photos, contacts, history and stories related to the 401st.;
- - There are 'scheduled' events and tours, as well some 'open time' throughout the Reunion and, dare I say it
- - Savannah is usually August in hot - natives flee.
But we can't wait to get there. Join and join us - Hope to see and meet you there.
Win Bryson
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MaryAlice
1/26/2010 2:57:02 PM | Well, we are considering going very seriously...still a little early to give definitive yes or no, but at this point in time, I would say chances of us going are very good. I will have my Tattoo done her in the next 3-4 weeks hopefully...all depending on if I can find an action shot of Mary Alice
Does anywhere here know, if ANY crew member of the Mary Alice is @ here?
Thanks again guys.
Oh...I am used to the heat//hot and humid...I live down here on teh Gulf Coast, SE of Houston, TX in a town called Pearland. My Grandpa lived in Tx City, TX...so, heat, used to it!
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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donaldbyers
1/26/2010 6:37:00 PM | I hope you and your brother will join us in Savannah. I use to live in Houston and my sister still does. My mother was born in Iago near Wharton TX. I now live in Lubbock TX since 1992 when I retired from the Army.
I was the one that made the changes and sent the links for you to see the changes. As Historian you can say that anytime on this forum. Don't forget to think about becoming members of the Association!!!!!
Don Byers
Group Historian
Sgt. Donald C. Byers, 613th Bomb Squadron, Togglier, 42-97344 Carrie B II, KIA 08/24/1944.
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MaryAlice
1/27/2010 9:06:52 AM | "donaldbyers":
I hope you and your brother will join us in Savannah. I use to live in Houston and my sister still does. My mother was born in Iago near Wharton TX. I now live in Lubbock TX since 1992 when I retired from the Army.
I was the one that made the changes and sent the links for you to see the changes. As Historian you can say that anytime on this forum. Don't forget to think about becoming members of the Association!!!!!
Don Byers
Group Historian
Yes Don I got yours, but there was someone else as well. Will send you a PM for details on it.
Well, I have a friend, whose Grandpa owns bunch of land down in Wharton, AND his cousin is a Sheriff down in Wharton, AND I try and make teh annual Golf tournament/charity the Wharton Sheriff's Dept. put on. My friend (whose cousin is a Sheriff) takes me. I would be lying on teh specifics, but I am pretty sure his family is well known in that area, and they own quite a bit of property, and been @ there for a LONG time...last name Yansky. maybe you know them?
Also, way back when, I used to work Pipeline Construction, and we did a job out in Brownfield, which is not that far south of Lubbock, AND I had a real good friend attend Texas Tech, and I went out and visted her a few times. Too much sand Don!!!! Hahaha
Derrick Morris, Grandson of S/Sgt Engr/Top Turret William "Dale" Sartor, 615th BS 401st BG, "Mary Alice"
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