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| '''Inge Grondin''' <br/>7/6/2001 5:49:49 AM 
| I have a request and need help. On July 20th 1944 a B-17 from the 401st Bomb Group, 613th Squadron called Pistol Packin Mama went down in Wohlsborn, near Weimar. There were 9 crewmen aboard. All parachuted out and landed safely. However, the German civilians killed three of them. And in a brutal way. I know it. <br/>     The KIA's are:<br/>     Navigator-2nd Lt. Owne H. Jorgenson<br/>     Radio Operator-T/Sgt John S. Spirodex<br/>     Tail Gunner S/Sgt Donald H. Schmidt<br/> <br/>     The crew members who survived were: <br/>     Pilot-2nd Lt. Kenneth R. Murgatroyd<br/>     Co-pilot 2nd Lt. James E Pennoyer Jr.<br/>     Bombardier-2nd Lt. James K. Elderkin, Jr.<br/>     Engineer-T/Sgt Stanley Lesser<br/>     Ball Turret-S/Sgt Jerome P. Robinson<br/>     Waist Gunner S/Sgt Howard Magnuson<br/> <br/>      My brother is mayor of Wohlsborn and he called for help. He wants to put up a monument and a cermony for the KIA's. Now I need help to locate any family members of the 9 crewmen. I will be over there in Germany also. <br/>      Now as for myself, I am ashamed that I come from Germany. Of what those people did. I lived in Weimar and Wohlsborn until 1956. By then I had my fill of the Communists and I escaped. I came to the USA and am a proud American since 1968 and married a lovely yank.<br/>      Thank you so much for helping me to find the families.<br/>      Inge Grondin<br/> <br/>  <br/> <br/>  
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| '''l.a.mitchell''' <br/>7/9/2001 12:00:58 PM 
| <br/> <br/>  i am sending your message to ken murgatroyd,James elderkin and james pennoyer. don't believe they are on internet.send me your U&gt;S&gt; mail address in event they respond to me and i can tell them how to contact you thanx,lam.<br/>  
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| '''Ken McPherson''' <br/>7/12/2001 9:15:34 PM 
| Hello Mr (or Mrs) Mitchell. Wuld you be so kind as to send (via e-mail, is possible) what reponses you received from the surviving crew members of 'Pistol Packin' Mama'. Also ant addresses (snail-mail) would b appreciated. Thank you. Ken McPherson, 8th AFHS, 493rd BGMA & 95th BGMA. Have a good day!! Ken.<br/>  
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| '''l.a.mitchell''' <br/>7/13/2001 10:30:05 AM 
| <br/>   As of 7/13 no response fro Pistol Packin Mama<br/>  
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| '''Inge  Zimski''' <br/>6/18/2003 2:44:44 AM 
| sorry i could not answer a lot sooner. Ima at the moment in ASIA,but i will be returning next week back to the USA. I have many original papers of the surving crewmembers while they were Interigated by the US officials. I also in contact with a few of them. Since i had to go to ASIA on an Emergency i have lost all the addys. If you would be so kind and send them to me i shurely will appreciate it. I was living real close by as the Plane Pistol Pakin Mama came down at my Village. I have photos and many other copies of this particular plane  Thank you Inge<br/>  
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| '''Inge  Zimski''' <br/>6/18/2003 2:44:48 AM 
| sorry i could not answer a lot sooner. Ima at the moment in ASIA,but i will be returning next week back to the USA. I have many original papers of the surving crewmembers while they were Interigated by the US officials. I also in contact with a few of them. Since i had to go to ASIA on an Emergency i have lost all the addys. If you would be so kind and send them to me i shurely will appreciate it. I was living real close by as the Plane Pistol Pakin Mama came down at my Village. I have photos and many other copies of this particular plane  Thank you Inge<br/>  
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