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By: Janice
On: 06/25/2001
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I am researching the "Pistol Packin' Mama" that went down At Wohlsborn on 20 July, 1944. The aircraft #: 42-31037. Three of the nine crewmen were killed by civilians after they landed on the ground. I am looking for the specifics of this. The 3 killed: Navigator 2LT. Owen H. Jorgensen, Radio Op: T/Sgt. John jS. Spriodex. Tail gunner: S/Sgt. Donald H. Schmidli (sp.?) Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Donald A. Byers
On: 06/29/2001
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Jane,
If you haven't checked my web page do so. http://members.home.net/dabyers2/
2nd Lt. K.R. Murgatroyd Pilot POW
2nd Lt. J.E Pennoyer Jr. Co-Pilot POW
2nd Lt. O.H. Jorgenson Navigator KIA
2nd Lt. J.K. Elderkin Jr. Bombardier POW
S/Sgt. J.S. Spirodex Radio Op. KIA
T/Sgt. S. Lesser Engineer POW
S/Sgt. J.P. Robertson Ball Turret POW
S/Sgt. D.H. Schmitt Tail Gunner KIA
S/Sgt. H.N. Magunson Waist Gunner POW
Missions
Vitry-en-artois 12th June 44
Le Bourget 13th June 44
Hamburg 20th June 44
Berlin 21st June 44
Frevent 22rd June 44
Fienvilliers 23rd June 44
Belloy-Sur-Somme 24th June 44
Montbartier 25th June 44
Renescure 6th July 44
Munich 13th July 44
Munich 16th July 44
Leipzig 20th July 44 Pistol Packin' Mama 42-31037
Shot Down by flack near Weimar.
Delivered Cheyenne 8/9/43; assigned 613BS/401BG (IN-F) Deenethrope 30/10/43; MIA Leipzig 20/7/44 w/Murgatroyd; cr Liebstedt Germany MACR 7545.
Picture Exists at National Archives e-mail to the following address: stillpix@arch2.nara.gov
They will send a photo paper copy of what they have. You then can order a real photo through a vendor about $28.00 for 5x7 print.
Give name of the plane Group and Squadron. Give your home address as they will only respond by regular mail. They will let you know by e-mail that they received your request.
Donald Byers
Lubbock Texas
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Donald A. Byers
On: 06/29/2001
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James J Elderkin
5325 California Ave
Bethel Park, PA 15102 Phone: 412-833-3170
This is the Bombadier's address. Give him a call that is the best way.
Don Byers |
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Ken McPherson
On: 07/12/2001
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Hello Janice, I too am researching for data on 'Pistol Pckin' Mama' B-l7 Ser. # 42-30l37 for Helga Radau of Barth, Ger ( home of Stalag Luft #l).
Would you be so kind as to share with what data you have gatherd thus far. E-mail would be appreciated. Thank you. Ken McPherson 8th AFHS.
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Roberta Jorgensen Baker
On: 07/25/2001
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Don, I just found your research on the missions of Pistol Packin' Mama. My uncle was the navigator, Owen H. Jorgensen (please note the correct spelling). I appreciate finding out the missions that he flew. I will order a picture based on your information. Thank you.
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Bernd Schmidt, US Veterans Friends Germany
On: 06/04/2005
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Dear Mr. Byers,
we are from a association who contact, respect and honor the liberators of 1945. One of our parts is the cases of the killed and prisones airmen.
Can you give us mor information about the Pistol Packin Mama which was sot down in our area in 1944??
Can you send a copy of the picture??
Sincerely
Bernd Schmidt
USVFG
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Bernd Schmidt, US Veterans Friends Germany
On: 06/04/2005
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Dear Mr. McPherson,
can you send me the resut of research about Pistol Packin Mama???? The plane was shot down in or area in 1944.
Sincrely
Bernd
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
Posted:
By: Bernd Schmidt, US Veterans Friends Germany
On: 06/04/2005
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Dear Mr. McPherson,
can you send me the resut of research about Pistol Packin Mama???? The plane was shot down in or area in 1944.
Sincrely
Bernd
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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Re: Pistol Packin' Mama : B17 401 BG: 613 Sqn.
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By: Don
On: 11/19/2009
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I don't think the archive photo is the correct one for this plane.My father was part of the ground crew for this plane, and he took pictures of the nose art on all the planes he was assigned to. The artwork was completely different and the plane was olive drab,not unpainted like the archive picture shows.He was at Deenethorpe from its opening to the base closing and only remembers the one "Mama". there were other planes from different squadrons that had the same name, I think thats where this picture comes from.
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